Wednesday, November 15, 2006


Week 7: November 16 - pp. 109-134 - Doctrine

Longest section yet, but worth the journey!


tuck said...

Charnock mentions several amazing descriptions of Christ’s voluntary sacrifice for us, here are a few:

“Love was the only impulse. Love excited him, love prepared him, love sent him, love offered him.” The highest assurance of his love was the loss of his life.” p.111

“Though he knew every thorn in the way he was to pass, the greatness of the wrath he was to undergo, yet his heart leaped into the Father’s arms with full and ready consent at the first overture.” p.122

“He was more delighted with his sufferings for us than we can be with the greatest worldly pleasures and grandeur, and valued reproaches for us above the empire of the world.” p.124

WOW!!!! May we meditate on these descriptions of our amazing Savior and may it stimulate us to be more like Him. Shouldn’t love be what motivates us, shouldn’t we leap into the Father’s arms with full and ready consent, and shouldn’t what gives us pleasure be resting in the presence of the Father and not in the vain things of this world?

“How willingly should we obey him, who so willingly obeyed God for us!” p.129

**What are your opinions of Charnock’s quote on p.111, “He loved us as he loved himself, above what he loved himself, shall I say?” Do you agree or disagree…etc**

Jordan said...


Good question. I plan to chime in tonight after a date with my beautiful bride (and kids!).

I wouldn't word it the same way Charnock did "He loved us...above...he loved Himself." I see His love for us as a "necessary" outflow of His love for Himself. In other words, because of the value He places on the full panorama of His perfections, He "must" display them. Grace and mercy could be displayed in its fullest measure by redeeming rebels against Him...and that at the expense of the life His only Son!?!?@@! I'd say it differently - necessary outflow, rather than "above." God's love for us, is part and parcel to His love to Himself. Thoughts?

JS said...

"How wonderful was the love of Christ! To accept willingly of such hard conditions for us, and die so ignominiously upon the cross which we had deserved! He knew the burden of sin, he know the terrors of hell. Yet he did not shrink from the imputation of the one or the sufferings of the other. It was not a willingness founded upon ignorance but upon clear-sighted affection [love for his people]." - pg 128

My mind went to Mark 10:32 as I thought of Christ's willingness to die:

32 They were on the road going up to Jerusalem, and Jesus was walking on ahead of them; and they were amazed, and those who followed were fearful. And again He took the twelve aside and began to tell them what was going to happen to Him,

33 saying, "Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be delivered to the chief priests and the scribes; and they will condemn Him to death and will hand Him over to the Gentiles.

34 "They will mock Him and spit on Him, and scourge Him and kill Him, and three days later He will rise again."

Christ knew what awaited Him in Jeruselum and yet He walked on ahead of them. The pain and mockery - the cross in full view. "Jesus was walking on ahead of them." And they were what? Amazed. Should we not join them in total amazement? How many times I have read that verse and scanned right through "Jesus was walking on ahead of them" with no meditation on the depth of those words. When we take the words of Mark 10:32 and view them through John 17 they scream of Christ's passionate, willful mission. We are hit head on with the motive and purpose of the cross. How rich is the phrase: "Jesus was walking on ahead of them!"

"Worse than devils are we, if we are not ravished [delighted] with so great an affection, which made him leave the heaven of his Father's presence for a time, to pass through our hell in the dregs of creation." - pg 129

No one took it. He gave it. Willingly.

Amen Tuck! As we meditate on our beautiful Saviour, may we all be more impressed with Christ. Let us be "ravished with so great an affection."

Jordan said...

"Those who lay claim to a relation with God without imitation of him are not children but bastards. They may be of his family by instruction but not by decent." (110).

The "vapor-ness" of life has been gripping me of late. Oh for a fair meeting with the King of Glory when we come to die! Oh to enter with great joy into the very joy of the Maste--as He bids us to enter in because of faithfulness in us that was wrought by the grace purchased by His Son at Calvary!

Jesus: "Whose image and likeness" is on the coin?"
Jordan: "Ceasars."
Jordan: "Then give it to Ceasar." Jesus: "Who's image and likeness is on you?"
Jordan: "Christ Almighty's."
Jesus: "Then give yourself to Him!"

Oh to be more conformed to the image of Christ!

Charnock, meditating on "himself" in Eph. 5:2 wrote, "'Himself.' Not only his body of flesh, not only his soul a spirit, but himself, his whole person. His soul, his body, himself, the Son of God and the Son of man." (111).

This is a truth too wonderful for human ears & hearts! GOD HAS GIVEN US HIMSELF! Ah, but notice the verse...(Eph. 5:2)..."Christ gave Himself TO GOD..." "He appeared before God as sitting upon a seat of justice, that he might open to us a throng of grace." (111).

"All the offerings and sacrifices of the law were completed in Christ. All his life wherein he acted for the glory of God was an offering." (112).

"What the legal sacrifices could not perform, as being earthy, mean and too low for the acceptation of God and delighted him no otherwise than as they referred to Christ; this sweet sacrifice of the unblemished Lamb of God possessed with a perfect love both to God's glory and man's safety." (112-3) - Praise the Lord--God is glorified, and saved sinners are eternally satisfied--all through Jesus Christ crucified!

The entire "voluntariness" section! A willing--not begrudged--Savior is Christ Jesus! The humble, meek, submissive, dependent God-Man! He is altogether lovely!

Oh, "the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for our sakes he became poor." (II Cor. 8:9).

Rejoice in the God of our salvation!

tuck said...

In regard to the quote mentioned earlier…

Thanks Jordan for the words of wisdom.

I think I understand Charnock’s intentions of the quote (stated as a question). For a man to give his life for another is a demonstration of love, a love greater than the love he has for himself possibly? For example, say my brother and I were walking down the street and a masked gunman appeared pointing his gun toward me and he began to pull the trigger. My brother quickly jumped in front of me and took the bullet intended for me. The gunman fled and my brother was left to die. In this example, for my brother to die in my place is display of the greatest love a man can have for his friend. John 15:13… This may be Charnock’s thought process because, in a similar but much greater way, Christ gave his life for us that we may have life. So as a man, Christ, possibly loved us more than he loved himself? I thought this because Charnock throughout the chapter gives examples for why Christ had to be both man and God. So maybe this quote is in reference to Christ as a man.

I do agree with you that the wording is dubious. It could be misinterpreted to mean that Christ’s voluntary death was focused more on the love of man rather than the love of the Father. Like your sermon, Christ’s complete focus was on obedience to the Father so the Father and He would receive glory. John 17:1-5 Christ, being God, would not be sovereign to desire a greater love for His creation than He has for Himself.

Did Christ die to demonstrate His great love for us… Yes! But this was only because it brought the Father glory to redeem His adopted children by this means. So Christ’s love was directed to the Father, which benefited man according to the good pleasure of His will. Eph. 1:3-14